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Post by Doug on Jan 31, 2007 18:03:13 GMT
EDIT: In essence, the purpose of this thread, to work out some of the planet's basic history, has been fulfilled by the cretion of a timeline - see that for further details.
Well, it strikes me that we need to at least start getting a basic timeline for the planet done soon, so we have a little idea of its history...and as someone's said, the most logical place to start would be the beginning...
So, what were the origins of the planet? What was the physical history of the planet? Were humans the first sentient species to arrive there? If not, what was, and when? When did the current civilisation arise? etc...
Personally, and just looking at those questions (I know there'll need to be more for even a basic impression of just the origins), I feel that it might be best if there was a sentient alien species on the planet once, which had died out/disappeared before humanity first arrived at some point before the age of strife (these would be the anscestors of the tribes, whose more complex civilisation collapsed at some point), with the Imperials arriving some point during the Age of the Imperium...
I hope that was coherent enough...
So, even if it isn't, any thoughts?
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Post by vendile on Jan 31, 2007 19:27:57 GMT
i think thats the best basic layout for the founding history - i do strongly promote the idea that the alien race to have inhabited the planet before disappeared for an unknown reason - also the race is unidentifed, and there are ruins in the deepest areas of the jungle1.
1 = this gives plenty of options for players, maybe the ruins are Exodite Eldar? Maybe in the deepest part of the large ruin complex in the junlge there sits one of the legendary Pandora devices, the very cause of the prolific, teeming jungle?
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Post by Doug on Jan 31, 2007 19:33:38 GMT
Yes, that's essentially what I'd assumed we'd do - as you say, it provides alot of options for scenarios...
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Post by thenephew on Jan 31, 2007 21:30:30 GMT
I like the sound of the previous civilisation, and the subsequent settling by pre-strife humans. I'm less keen on identifying the ruins just yet. If the system was rediscovered by the Imperium, it does beg the qustion, why are teh nomads still nomadding? I always got the impression locals are nailed down and educated, then slotted into their Imperial place.
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Post by vendile on Jan 31, 2007 22:00:06 GMT
they keep to their way of life, but the mechanicum decided to set up the hive-bergs to harvest the 'resource'.
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 3:15:20 GMT
ARTIFICIAL ALIEN WORLD! Sorry, slightly obsessed with that concept. Um. The Aboriginals are a perfect example, Nephew. Australia is a bloody big place, and even after two hundred years of settlement by Europeans, the last (known) tribe was only discovered a decade or so ago. And that was a concerted effort to find the little sods. This world will be a damn sight bigger, and there would be no real way to find them if they didn't want to be. Jungles are a nice place to hide, after all. I'd assume many tribes that were found would be assimilated, but not if they weren't found...
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Post by thenephew on Feb 1, 2007 10:28:13 GMT
Little sods? I'm not so sure on an entirely artificial world, but only because it doesn't gel so well with my personal view of the 40K universe. Practically, it would be a perfect excuse for just about any massive plot twist you wanted. I'll gladly concede the point that several tribes could have simply hidden. This could also help set up the Twin Lamps thing. I'm just less sure that they wouldn't stay extremely secretive, and as such would have an incredibly small impact on the world as a whole.
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 11:27:02 GMT
A world altered for some reason beyond human undrestanding by say the eldar (though what the eldar would want with petrochemicals is unknown
I personally thing that the order it should go is
Well before human's started into space Xenos civilisation
Unknonw reason xenos race dies out/leave/wiped out
During the great expansion of mankind colonists settle on the world technology is lost for some unknonw reason
Tribal groups spreading across the land mass of the world
During the Great Crusade an experdition ship crashlands on the land mass, fearful of the indiginous population and with inferior numbers seclude themsleves around their crashed ship many centuries pass and the imperial surviors degenerate into cyborg esk half machines
a few centures ago the world discovered by Warmaster Martius during the ***Crusade, petrochemcial oceans used to save the crusade and lead it to victory
Warmaster Martius awarded system in gratitude for services done, World names Martius' Hope in recognition of the fact it saved the crusade and colonisation developed from refinery outposts into full populated world
of the first 3 hive burgs built 1 goes missing for unknown reasons (this can be dropped if the ghost burg doesn't make it)
Several more smaller Hive burg's built to collect and refine fuels for the imperium
Present day after an accident on one of the hives planetary government passes motion for a static space port established on the land mass, building is 65% complete
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 11:33:37 GMT
The cyborg idea just doesn't work. I'm sorry, but no. You can't just 'make and attach' a bionic. It's fricking complicated. Plus, they wouldn't survive a crash, and if they did, they could make alot better deal out of it then just 'degenerating'.
You don't just 'make' a Hive. It slowly develops, it isn't planned. The original core may be, but that would just be a roaming collector.
Define 'accident'. It would have to be pretty damn major, wiping out SIGNIFICANT assets. Any Hive would have dozens, if not more, and the cost of the fuel would skyrocket as each shipment now has to fly HALFWAY ACROSS THE WORLD before the fuel can be shipped to orbit.
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 11:50:22 GMT
Its a well known fact that tech priests were part of the great crusade, and there are different degrees of crashing, it could have been a forced landing that buggered up the ship and trapped them there for example,
If you isolate yourself from everything else and turn to technology to survive over the course of 10,000 years there is going to be some degeneration especially seeing as how inbreeding would become the norm for these people, bionics yes degenerate and that would cause the need for more "technology" salvaging from their original ship, also over the period of time there is going to be some strain to the sanity of them as they strive to stay alive.
The accident could just have been that it could have led to the death of an entire hive a crash from a transport carrying fuel that set off a chain reaction destorying the whole thing, that too me would pose a significant risk and warrent the building of a new static position for larger transports to leave from, it also collects together the resources of the whole world meaning traders can go to one place to buy instead of hopping from hive to hive.
As for the flying that doesn't have to be the case, sailing it in hauler could be a viable prospect
As for the hives being built I could have possibly said established instead but this was just a loose proposal of what could be the history
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 12:00:51 GMT
You couldn't just make a bionic arm because you wanted one. A) It wouldn't extend your life at all, and b) you wouldnt have the materials and programming capacity. Whilst Inq characters have many bionic parts, they are incredibly, incredibly rare.
That accident could work, yeah.
Still, any transportation massively ups the price of anything.
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 12:10:46 GMT
indeed but in the end it would be worth it people would still buy it,
I was actually thinking of monstrous bionic enhancement, such as using any form of pump to operate as a heart not making a bionic hear,
I had little intention of these people actually looking like people anymore come horrific truth for somone to find out
"Hang on a minute...there human..."
also servitors can long out live humans, there are bits of background that describe them as rotting even as thet continued to work
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 12:30:10 GMT
Yes, because their organs have been replaced, not because they have a metal arm. Still, open heart surgery is a very iffy business, even before jamming a whopping great hunk of metal in their chest.
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 13:16:28 GMT
In hindsight I conceed the basis for the original concept but still have thought of another reasoning because it in part thanks to Robey and his Obliterator Virus, and the origins of this sect of machine horrors.
In the afore mentioned history drag everythjing back a few millenia maybe too and partway through that have one of the 3 original refineries which has developed into what would now be Hive burgs vanishes off the radar so to speak,
At around the same time a series of starnge attacks occur on the landmass with strange people who in the first instance take prisoners, in the second steal any metal the tribes have, in their desperation they also attack hives to a lesser extent.
there we go an ever present chaos influence caused by a mad dar mechanicus wishing to see what the effects of the obliterator virus actaully are and see if he could use it for his own ends, naturally it ended badly.
I also had the method of infection being something similar to the way the ad mech poision the imperial guard in Storm of Iron.
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Post by vendile on Feb 1, 2007 15:50:26 GMT
personally i do not like your crash-landing thing Necris.
additionally i always thought of the spaceport being set up at the same time as the bergs were first built - as it was the only way of transporting the resource off-planet. I mean, perhaps the large hive-bergs will have landing pads and the like, but i always envisioned them as being supplied by container-type ships.
EDIT: not really fond of your idea of a hive-berg simply 'disappearing' (or the Oblitorater virus) - i much prefer the origins of the ghost-berg being a trade war or a massive industrial accident.
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