mohauk
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Post by mohauk on Feb 9, 2007 16:37:24 GMT
What about secessionists. Chaos is overused, as has been stated, and most aliens are unliely to be involved, not crusadable, or also overused. There are different kinds of interesting from gribbly or evil.
How about a secessionist group that became too strong, forming a small splinter Empire - not chaos orientated, but with an alternative religion. That would merit a crusade, be crusadable, be original, and interesting because too often the Imperium is clearly shown as the 'good guys' in Inquisitor and 40k, whereas this would leave it very much in the balance, and so there'd be some culture and character ideas you could play on - converts or fake converts spared, secessionist force lives on as a perhaps darker cult, or at least aspects of the culture are absorbed.
Basically, using a splinter human enemy would give you a lot more original ideas than just the usual aliens or chaos, IMHO.
If anyone likes this idea, i have a couple of thoughts in the woodwork...
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Post by vendile on Feb 9, 2007 16:39:40 GMT
to be honest the exact enemy is of not consequence to our planet, its just a matter of who did Martius die fighting against?
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Post by inquisitorarantel on Feb 9, 2007 16:42:12 GMT
On the contrary, I think it's quite important- they'd have a bit of a reputation against those, and it'd be a matter of pride to smash them into little pieces- and the enemies may still want revenge...
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Post by mohauk on Feb 9, 2007 18:49:15 GMT
Besides, Crusades are against enemies who control planets (rather than piratical DE type enemies), so surely our planet was under the control of this enemy, whoever they were. I may be confused about this - correct me if I'm wrong. If that were the case, it'd be a crucial part of the history.
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Post by vendile on Feb 9, 2007 19:41:33 GMT
my arguement is coming from my preferred idea that Martius saved the origional campaign by using our planet as a stepping-stone, rather than actually fighting on it as it was previously unexplored in imperial records.
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Post by necris on Feb 13, 2007 0:36:20 GMT
Well as apposed to liberation it fought a short skirmish battle on it hence his reason for being on the world in the first place...
If DE + mass of slaves are out
and chaos is over used
Orks are a good bet, a crusade against the green tide is not beyond belief
Sectionionists, is a good idea, but it lacks that true enemy of mankind feel
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Post by mohauk on Feb 13, 2007 9:17:08 GMT
That was rather why I liked it It's just that its original, so it lets us explore some less tramped-out ideas. It seems that every minor leader who ever got any osrt of honours did it either against 'chaos scum', 'an unstoppable tyranid invasion' (which he somehow stopped), or some other vicious aliens. However, if no-one likes the secessionist idea, then I'd agree orks are the way to go. If you did go orkways, however, they'd have to never had a presence on our planet (what was it called before Martius' time?) because of spores.
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2007 9:26:17 GMT
I rather like the idea of seccesionists....after al, they're going to have to be a far more common problem than it often seems, and they make a nice change
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Post by inquisitorarantel on Feb 13, 2007 10:40:57 GMT
We could just say (if we're using Orks) that it was relatively easy to wipe out all but the most inaccessable spored areas, due to the abundance of the fuels required for flame weapons...
In fact, the occasional Ork in the jungles could be interesting- they'd have to be in quite smll gatherings, but big enough for the spores to spawn into more Orks- perhaps one of the PDF's duties is to periodically go in and massacre as many Orks as they can?
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Post by thenephew on Feb 13, 2007 13:14:20 GMT
Or that the heavy metals in the soils, or flares, or petrochemicals, prevent them from sporing correctly. I like the idea of the flares inerfering with it - then, in one particularly dense grove of Copperleafs, there could be a small tribe of feral orks, which cannot venture very far out of the grove, or swell too greatly in numbers. As they move further from the grove, the unadapted algae in their blood is destroyed by the flare radiation, and they weaken and die very swiftly. This isn't helped by the Adomantodon's seemingly instinctive dislike of the greenskins. Any spores left by the travelling orks are swiftly sterilised by the flare radiation, or eaten by the forests natural insect predators.
Edit: That's predators that are insects, not predators of insects.
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2007 13:54:22 GMT
Fair enough - I'm convinced. Orks would be fine.
Right, do people feel this needs any more work, or should I come up with a summation of the topic and move it?
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Post by necris on Feb 13, 2007 15:30:18 GMT
HOw about we still have the seccesionists in the history
and instead of Martius dying at the hands of a green revenge attack he instead dies defending the church from atheist seccesionists intent on the destruction of the Emperor as a god
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2007 15:32:40 GMT
Again, sounds good - I like that rather alot, actually
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Post by vendile on Feb 13, 2007 15:42:26 GMT
the trouble with this topic is that it is of great importance to the entire project what the final discision is. And currently we don't have anything like a final desicion, so no, this topic needs to stay open really Doug.
Whilst i primarily say no to Orks, if the flares were to destroy their spores, and the heavily metalic lifeforms and soil were unable to have Orks created in them, then that might be more workable
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2007 15:46:40 GMT
Yes...you're right, this needs to stay open...hrm....I have at present the insatiable urge to write up a few IC texts on Martius, for some reason....would anyone be interested in seeing (provisional and rough) extracts from the diary of Martius, alongside extracts from an officially sanctioned Imperial biography? It'll happen anyway (because I feel like writing some propaganda, and some fake diary stuuf, for some reason), but whether people want to see them, or use them, or not is a different matter...
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