vendile
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Post by vendile on Jan 30, 2007 19:37:25 GMT
EDIT: Well, topic generally closed, at least at a basic level. It was generally decided that:
1. The trbes are much older than the Imperial presence 2. There are (unsurprisingly considering the large size of the continent) rather alot of different tribes, all with their own cultures, though there are several common factors, such as the general worship of a Mother Earth style deity 3. Only a small proportion of tribes have been encountered by the Imperials 4. Relations with the Imperials depend on the tribe 5. Some tribes are recruited for use in Guard units, particularly in rough rider units and the like, riding a native creature. Less widely used in the PDF, though perhaps in a few land based units. 6. Inter tribal politics may well involve some sort of annual meeting etc (possible - not actively decided upon)
If I've missed anything, people should tell me.
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basically we need to figure out these guys, the current base description of them is:
The jungles of this continent are inhabited by various tribes, who are generally hostile to the Imperials
However i feal it would be better if rather than being anti-imperial, they were simply indifferent, they live like the inhabitants of catachan, creating small tribe settlements that only last a couple weeks before the encroching jungle means that they must move on again.
Perhaps their religion is a strange take in which they view the Emperor as the equivilent of "Mother-Earth", or maybe they don't have any faith at all, but are put up with by imperial authorities because of the extremly limited contact they have with the more civilised seaport-based citizens.
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Post by Doug on Jan 30, 2007 19:40:30 GMT
Hmmm....I've been having a little think....perhaps as well as the tribes, it might work having small groups of runaway slaves or the like hiding out in the jungle, who were actively hostile to the Imperials?
As for the tribes attitudes to the Imperials, I agree that some should be indifferent....equally, I do feel that some (perhaps one very big one) should be actively hostile to them, and also that some should actively welcome them...
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vendile
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Post by vendile on Jan 30, 2007 19:55:20 GMT
thats an idea, those in the core of the jungle are barbaric and hostile to any tribe or interloper they come across, while the further you get to the edges of the jungle, the more civilised the tribes become, and generally the friendly their attitude to the imperials.
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Post by Doug on Jan 30, 2007 19:59:28 GMT
Something like that, yes...as for the religion, I suggest again that it varies upon some unusual Emperor worship between tribes, but has a central theme, perhaps the Mother Earth one, although I'm somewhat keener on something...less pleasant...
And perhaps if we do with the escaped slaves hiding out idea, they'll have forsaken the idea of the Emperor, perhaps...
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Post by takaetun on Jan 30, 2007 22:48:23 GMT
I'm not sure it should be all stereotypical savages. Very Imperial viewpoint. Peaceful hunter-gatherers to be exploited by a planet wide corporation could be good as well, and a normalish tribe, intelligent, adaptive, just with lower levels of tech.
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Post by Doug on Jan 30, 2007 22:50:41 GMT
Not saying that there shouldn't be tribes like that...in fact, it might work better if the majority were quite peaceful, really, but I do still feel there should be one more slightly...brutalised tribe...
Or maybe it would be simpler to have that role filled completely by the runaways, escaped slaves, etc...
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Post by thenephew on Jan 31, 2007 21:05:17 GMT
The brutalised tribe can be very easily be 'liberated workmen' from some berg or other. Even from the ghost-hive, if it makes the cut. With their knowledge of the sea [no, I don't know how engine room slaves got knowledge of the sea], they could make a perfect pirate force, or liberationist/anti-Imperial geurilla movement, gaining support among some of the smaller hive-bergs, those under more pressure from Imperial controlled trading federations. Then there are those tribes being perverted by the [as yet un-discovered] rogue Inquisitor, seeking to destabilise the system to remove the current weakling planetary governor. News of extensive use of 'earth spirits' [face eating warpspawn may also apply], of kidnapping, of raids on Imperial Missions have all been attributed to a group of related tribes living in the centre-north-western sector of the forest. Or the usual foragers and nomads, of course.
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Post by Doug on Jan 31, 2007 21:08:46 GMT
I quite like pretty much all of those ideas, there's a nice mix there...
As they're slightly different from the others, and there have been a couple of people aside from me supporting the idea, I think I'll create another thread for the escaped slaves, as there may be quite alot of discussion needed with them - different tribes will get their own once we've worked what they'll be, but the liberated workers etc seem to be a fairly singular and solid concept, so they can get one now...
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 3:17:30 GMT
'Smaller' Hive...? 'Small' being, what, only two billion people instead of six and above?
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Post by Doug on Feb 1, 2007 6:31:34 GMT
Well, six instead of ten... I think partially by smaller he meant less powerful, economically and poolitically - fewer seats on the ruling council, etc...
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 9:31:18 GMT
Respectfully, I don't think that could happen. I believe that at that scale of power, there can be no 'lesser' hives. I think that there could be a few which would band together in terms of trading agreements and such, but seeing as any minor altercation reducing production would draw the Administratum in, especially on such a vitally important world, threats of violence would not work. Hence, there could be no real sanctions enforced. Hence, that whole idea of UN comes into play again - any attempt to create a ruling council would have no inter-hive power, and I would assume would deal mainly with the various free traders.
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 11:15:42 GMT
Well I was pushing for the implementation of a static space port being established on the land mass over on the conclave, of course this would have a small populace maybe tipping in at a million maybe a few more, but it would be predominatly a way station for shipping (so basically a huge shipping yard)
This was basically my idea to make life easier than having to find a city that is constantly moving about the spot, and to reduce the number of space ports on the world (most only have one or two large space ports and then have more smaller "private" space ports)
That could introduce a interesting twist to the tribal inhabitants,
Being neither for nor against the imperials were until work started on the space port started unknown about little more than mythical rumours, one of their gods could be represented by the trees (like feth for the tanith) and of course with the imperials chopping them down to build the space port its angered the tribes in the locallity resulting in savage attacks on the work force/city
of course as time drags on the tribes will become more daring, more resourceful, more violent
I also had an idea for a sub rumour for the tribes a "be good or the *** will come for you" esk story that they tell children about metal men (no not necrons) my thought for these were they are part of the original colonists (not the imperial ones before then) or even from during the great crusade (so this world has been colonised 3 times) that survived a crash landing.
either way these metal men have secluded themselves around their starship (crashed or otherwise but useless) and over the course of how ever many years of living there have been forced to turn to even greater extremes of bionics, coupled together with inbreeding and some other factors these creatures are little more than savage beasts (clever and cunning beasts) but vicious and untorrerent of anything different from themselves.
Occassionally these metal men will come out of their hiding place and take/kill/eat what ever the local tribes then return to their seclusion thus making them a dark sinister don't go out into the woods today (it could even bee periodical say every 30 days for example) feel to the tribal landmass, of which the imperials wont know anything about till it happens
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 11:29:10 GMT
I'm pretty sure 'feth' actually IS a swear word...
I doubt any native tribe could seriously concern an Imperial organisation. PDF, Arbites, Enforcers, PMCs...
Didn't Cara come up with an idea like those metal men? I raise the same points. Bionics degrade, require masses of knowledge to attach and create, and are incredibly rare. And why aren't this lot breeding anyway?
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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 11:38:51 GMT
Feth is the name for one of the tanith tree gods (infact I think it is the tanith tree god) Gaunt informs an inquisitoress of that fact when she plants suggestive images in his head when she thinks Milo is a witch
I think he did, I was building on that idea
and they are (thats why they come out to collect/kill/ eat) then need something to breed with
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 11:41:11 GMT
No, he says that it is to avoid her attempting to manipulate him. Face it, no Imperial officer would accept his men using a heathen god to swear by.
I'm sorry, but I have no idea what that last sentance means.
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