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Post by necris on Feb 1, 2007 11:52:07 GMT
it was in refernce to you asking why they weren't breeding
Feth is a gods name, it's just like us saying god, except feth had been adopted by the tanith as a curse word
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Post by takaetun on Feb 1, 2007 11:57:28 GMT
...You can only breed with your own species. So they wouldnt need 'something' to breed with, theyd need themselves, which they, strangely enough, have. I can accept that theyd raid any outlying settlements for more variety in their genetic stock, but they couldn't improve themselves bionically to such an extent. To any extent, in fact.
I do belive that that particular issue has been decided on by people asking the author, and you are beliving in a fallacy. He used it to get the Inquisitor off his back.
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Post by inquisitorarantel on Feb 1, 2007 18:40:23 GMT
The Tribes would be completely at odds with the Imperial viewpoint, even if peaceful- your average tribe is basically in harmony with the environment (the ones that aren't die!).
Tribes can actually be a threat to the Imperials- guerilla warfare can be very effective, and tanks are generally in trouble if they fall into a bog hole.
If you don't believe me, watch the end of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi!
The tribes' religious beliefs could have a few hints to their origins- the first men coming from the sky in the chariots of the gods, or whatever, and possibly the more "Kill the intruders!" tribes could think that all the Imperials are daemons in disguise...
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Post by vendile on Feb 1, 2007 18:54:58 GMT
1) Feth is an old god of the forests on Tanith. This appears as a stated fact numerous times during the Gaunts Ghosts series.
2) tribal bionic junlge-based nomads is a completly daft idea on a world like this to be quite frank.
3) tribes similar to the way people live on Catachan = much more sense. Feudal tech levels, nomadic living within the jungle, live in harmony with the jungle.
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Post by takaetun on Feb 2, 2007 4:57:34 GMT
No, it is stated once, in a single book.
How dangerous is the forest on this world?
EDIT: Unless it's stated in His Last COmmand or the one after that.
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Post by Doug on Feb 2, 2007 6:32:41 GMT
Generally quite hostile, I'd say, but still benign enough that it can be worshipped Morther Earth style...
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Post by necris on Feb 2, 2007 8:49:51 GMT
I'm fairly sure Colm mentions it in the last book he's in before copping it
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Post by takaetun on Feb 2, 2007 10:41:23 GMT
He doesn't say anything, he just... dies.
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Post by pyr on Feb 2, 2007 11:00:38 GMT
About time a character did that . I'd like to see some native american style warriors myself. I've seen a few movies with them in them (that didn't come out right) and i reckon they look pretty cool. As for religion. Don't you think the kind ocean around them would have a minior effect on their original beliefs? indeed you could have two tribes, a forest worshiping tribe and a water worshiping tribe, that have put their diffrences aside to aid/kill of the Imperials.
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Post by necris on Feb 2, 2007 11:14:46 GMT
I ment in the book not before he gets shot
regardless back on topic
the tribes should be loosely organised maybe having a tridal gathering every now and again for varrious things.
I would say the plantlife should be something simialr to our own but more "slimely" like big fat fingers with wide open branches and leaves, the sap could be highly toxic and used on weaponry
Enough so that it is reveared by the warriors of the tribes as a holy rite when taking the deadly sap.
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Post by Caralinus on Feb 2, 2007 17:11:04 GMT
I'd just like to comment that I don't believe that hives contain billions of people.
The highest population of a hive world is 500 billion with the lowest having about 100 billion. Going off the size of Hive Primus you simply couldn't have billions of people in one hive because every last square inch would be full of people. You'd have about 20 or 30 people living in the space of a bathroom (say 12 foot cubed). It would be a physical impossibility.
Hives are big but they don't take up that much space, they're less than ten miles across. With a bit of quick maths I'd say each hive would have about 35 million people living in it, probably a lot less in order to have those great big empty areas hives have. Even 30 odd million people is a lot (there are just over 7 million people living in London and that covers over 600 square miles), each person will have about 15 square metres to live in which is hardly anything but about right for heavily popluated cities.
This means that there will be thousands of hives but considering the size of a world that wouldn't be unlikely at all.
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Post by thenephew on Feb 3, 2007 16:51:27 GMT
That's one thing I've always had a problem with, Caralinus - GW never does it's maths on those kind of situations. I'd think that Hive bergs would need to be smaller (area) than land Hives, and would need to be less densely populated for them to float. Take a 7 million person Hiveberg. Assuming they all live in dorms, separated by rank/class/smell or something, the sleeping space would be 18 million cubic meters, plus that again for individual workspace, plus at least that again for machinery and engines. Then there is storage space, both for food and resource. Corridor space, flotation tanks or something, submarine bays/tubes/maintenance space. Piping to transport thousands/millions of tons of water/food/waste. Lifts between levels. Redundancies for most of the above systems. That can't possibly be all of it, and even then you're looking at...assuming my non-mathematical estimations are in the realm of correctness...Ireland as a floating Hiveberg? I really can't see how the Hive bergs can be much more than a few million people, even if GW claim that a land Hive can support billions of people at a population density of proportions so great they verge on physically impossible.
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Post by mohauk on Feb 3, 2007 20:32:33 GMT
I do agree with both of you that GW think mor epeople live in hives than can, but don't forget to add into your equations the shape of hives. You've compared their pop/area count to London's, but Hives are somewhat taller than they are wide in general, whereas compared to their height, London is flat.
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Post by vendile on Feb 4, 2007 2:14:01 GMT
1) Wrong place to be discusing hives. 2) As i have said before, a cross between catachans and 'modern day' jungle tribes found in the congo(more so) and amazon(a large number have mordernised slightly) is what will work best for our jungle dwellers. 3) The beliefs of many tribes are primitive and personify the Emperor as the giver of all life(same as Mother Earth). 4) Perhaps jungle dwellers nearer the second-wave(Martius era) settlements have had their faith proven to such a level that they have been allowed to be enrolled in the planets Imperial Guard regiments, performing as an exemplary scout company whoes units are usually spread throughout the rest of the regiment. Or, indeed, maybe they provide a cavalry core for the regiment? (a'la Chapter Approveds Imp Guard doctrine, Xeno Mounts - link and image shown below) uk.games-workshop.com/warhammer40000/creature-feature/9/
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Post by Doug on Feb 4, 2007 9:20:24 GMT
iut is indeed the wrong place to be discussing hives...I shall set up a, "hive populations," topic, because it doesn't necessarily fit in with the current topic on hives.
As for the suggestion of some of the tribes being enrolled into the Guard/PDF if they have somehow proved their faith, I like it. It is the sort of thing the Imperium would do, and I've always had a soft spot for cavalry in the IG...
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