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Post by inquisitorarantel on Feb 4, 2007 12:13:35 GMT
"Sir! Sir! That fortress is so well protected it's too much of a bloodbath even to send in the normal Guardsmen until we get some heavy artillery, but if we don't do something todistract them, they'll be able to fortify further!"
"Send in the tribal levies!"
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Post by Doug on Feb 4, 2007 12:16:17 GMT
Pretty much, yes...
Ah, such a pleasant place, the Imperium...
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Post by vendile on Feb 4, 2007 12:54:57 GMT
i wouldn't really have thought of them as being treated like that by thier own regiment - sure, they would probably keep mostly to themselves 'socially' and most would only have a very basic mastering of Gothic - but their particular area of expertise, be it the riders or the scouts idea, would still be an integral part of the regiment.
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Post by Doug on Feb 4, 2007 13:22:28 GMT
I think Arantel was more making a point about feral regiments in general, rather than these companies...and whether something's an integral part of an army doesn't necessarily mean its commanders will treat it with any respect (look at RL colonial armies - the native regiments, despite making up the bulk of the army, to the extent that if they mutinied it would be a disaster, were often treated like utter dirt)...
Bt yes, these guys wouldn't be thrown at walls. That said, would we want this lot to be sent off to the guard, or to form some of the elite companies in the PDF? Or both?
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Post by vendile on Feb 4, 2007 13:27:55 GMT
i'd say keep them in the regiments only - afterall, the PDF undoubtable spend most of their time on hive-bergs, patrolling the water for pirates, or stationed in the sea and starports as secruity. If anyone had any need to go into the junlge, i'm sure they'd be able to hire a tribe as guides.
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Post by Doug on Feb 4, 2007 13:43:56 GMT
That seems fair enough, yes...perhaps a unit might be kept in th capital though, almost as a ceremonial sort of thing
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Post by vendile on Feb 4, 2007 14:24:04 GMT
that might work i guess, perhaps acting as riot-cavalry? additionally, they would slowly become more imperial in their attitudes, including the ones in the regiments, so when/if they ever get to leave the guard/PDF and rejoin their own tribe in the jungle, they take with them values which influence and improve the belief and loyalty structures already introduced by roving missionaries in the first years post-Martius settlement.
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Post by Doug on Feb 4, 2007 14:29:12 GMT
Indeed - I suspect this would be a deliberate Imperial strategy developed in years of colonising cut off worlds
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Post by thenephew on Feb 6, 2007 17:08:54 GMT
As a tribe-based society, i think that these tribes are being treated too much as a single entity. The sheer space in the forest for various different tribes, even if they are nomad-ing in a forest the size of China, should allow so much variation in political affiliation that attempts to classify reaction to any outsider would be down to which one of the [hundreds/thousands] of tribes you meet. I like the idea of missionaries travelling into the woods, and of levy squads. I'm just not sure this approach would successfully penetrate more than a few [hundred miles/tribes/leaders' brains] into the forest itself. I guess the the decision to accept back a tribesman that has been away off world for a decade or two, if he comes back at all, would be equally unique to each group. Hiring tribal guides, rather than employing them as forest soldier patrols, seems the better idea. If they. are to be used in combat against tribes, then the units would have to be made of (wo)men from no more than one or two tribes. Hiring them on a by-job basis, however, would minimise a clash of interests.
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Post by Doug on Feb 12, 2007 18:11:53 GMT
Any more thoughts, or can this one be summed up and closed?
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Post by vendile on Feb 12, 2007 19:06:34 GMT
I think this has been debated to a fine point, that being, "yes to tribesmen being in the regiments, unlikely(but still workable) to being in the PDF, no to being treated as dirt."
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Post by Doug on Feb 12, 2007 19:17:55 GMT
True...I'll sort that out later then
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Post by inquisitorarantel on Feb 13, 2007 10:48:51 GMT
What do the tribes eat? So far, the two life-forms we have (Copperleaf and Adamantodon) are poisonous to humans due to the metal content in them...
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Post by Doug on Feb 13, 2007 10:52:48 GMT
That's prbably something that can be worked out later - after all, this is still basically the concept stage.
That is, unless people really want to discuss it now
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Post by vendile on Feb 13, 2007 15:21:02 GMT
no, this topic is done for now.
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